Talk:Tunku Abdul Rahman

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Copyedit

As requested, I have copyedited this article, and reduced the overly-admiring tone.

Questions arising:

• What does YTM stand for?
• He cannot be called "The Tunku," which sounds too admiring and POV. I have called him Abdul Rahman.
  • But he was known as "The Tunku", not just "Tunku". E.g. see this newspaper article. --Dwchin (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
• Alor Setar or Alor Star? Both spellings appear. I believe the official spelling was changed at some point.
• What did he do during the war? Did he collaborate with the Japanese as most of the princes did? Did he oppose or support MPAJA?
• There is no reference to the Emergency. What role did he play?

Adam 1 July 2005 07:22 (UTC)

YTM is Yang Teramat Mulia, the title of the son of a reigning Sultan. As for Alor Star/Setar, I think Setar is the "correct" spelling but Star remains more common. Jpatokal 1 July 2005 08:32 (UTC)

Thanks. If YTM is the title of the son of a reigning Sultan, then what is Tunku? Is this a hereditary title, or did he acquire it? If so, when? Adam 1 July 2005 08:44 (UTC)

Tunku just means Prince. So Tunku is Abdul Rahman's title and YTM is his style. Check out the Malay titles article for some insight into the maddeningly complex system... Jpatokal 1 July 2005 16:30 (UTC)

I just added a request for cleanup or more exact a request to rewrite with less detail. I was reading the encyclopedia Britannica article and comparing with Wikipedias and there is no comparison (not that there really should be). But what I am getting at is EB has a snippet, whereas WIki is pages and pages. A lot of the info is unreferenced, it reads as if it was copied from a single source, it goes into way too much detail as I find myself having difficulty maintaining concentration. I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings just give an impartial opinion. He seems to be an extremely important figure in Malaysia's history and deserves to have an "A" style article written about him. I am no expert and most assuredly have issues even when I am an expert with copy editing, but someone needs to grab this with both hands and give it some love and care. Again please understand that all I am trying to do is impart my experience when reading it. I will re-read it in a couple of days to see if I was just having a bad day. speednat (talk) 21:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry to repeat myself, but:

• What did he do during the war? Did he collaborate with the Japanese? Did he oppose or support MPAJA?
• What role did he play in the Emergency?
• Was he born with the titles YTM and Tunku, or were they conferred on him, and if so when?

Adam 4 July 2005 12:31 (UTC)

As the son of a sultan, he was born with the title Tunku, and a Tunku's style is YTM. Jpatokal 6 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)

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Now YTM has disappeared and "Tunku Sam" has appeared. I have never heard this name and it gets no Google hits. Is this a joke? And could our Malaysian friends please come up with an agreement on what he ought to be called? Adam 12:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that it's just a joke. I've reverted (both in the article and on the photo). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Konfrontasi

I'm surprised that there is no mention of this subject in the article. Grant | Talk 06:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup?

I've read through the article[1] and can't find reasons for the tagging done. Please explain whats wrong with the article. Nsaa (talk) 16:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

A brief scan over it shows that it is full of uncited anecdotes, many of which are defamatory in nature. This person is an important figure in Malaysian history, and appears to be the target of defamation in this article.—Tetracube (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Formation of Malaysia

"remaining Prime Minister following the formation of Malaysia in 1963, when Sabah, Sarawak, and Singapore joined the federation, until his retirement in 1970."

It is unclear to what is meant by the word "federation" within that sentence because the word "federation" is used as a noun. Technically speaking, the act of federating Sabah, Sarawak, Singapore and Federation of Malaya formed Malaysia. To say that Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore joined the federation (assuming federation refers to Malaysia) is a confusing and misleading statement because there is nothing to be joined in the first place. It is also wrong to say Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore joined the Federation of Malaya simply because the Proclamation of Malaysia does not say so. The Proclamation of Malaysia states very clearly that the Federation of Malaysia is formed by the act of federating the sovereign states of North Borneo (Sabah), Sarawak, Singapore and Federation of Malaya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.133.38.234 (talk) 11:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Chad

. 121.122.69.39 (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Tunku first name or title?

This is confusing, is "Tunku" his title as in "prince", or his first name? Because if it is his title, the wording of the article is completely wrong because it keeps referring to him as if Tunku is his first name, it should be re-written as "The Tunku" for example. Tunku should also be in italic as a non-English term. Gryffindor (talk) 09:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that Tunku is his royal title. I'm also of the mind that the page should reffer to him as "Abdul Rahman" not "The Tunku" because "The Tunku" seems to be at least a somewhat affectionate nickname and also doesn't seem to be his universal common name. DervotNum4 (talk) 18:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not about affection but referring to his title, such as "Prince Charles" or "the prince". Gryffindor (talk) 19:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)